Bay Area, Lavish D, Messy Marv, Mozzy, Oakland, Philthy Rich, Sacramento
As a long-ago Lavish D convert I wanted to take the opportunity of the new Lav/Philthy Rich mixtape and this heightening Philthy/Mozzy feud to post a few loose thoughts on King Lav that have been on my mind…
- If I could get access to a time machine one of my highest priorities would be to go back in time to like 2016-2017 to the height of the ‘One Mob’ vs Lav beef and blow a few Bay Area rap fans’ minds by showing them this Lav/Philthy collaboration album from the future and then hop back in the time machine and leave back for the future without explaining the whole context of what led to it
- My favorite aspect of the Mozzy/Philthy beef is the fact that Messy Marv is certainly the centerpiece of the beef – Philthy is mad that Mozzy linked up with Messy – so he then linked up Mozzy’s archenemy Lav – who featured Messy himself on the remix for arguably his biggest song (Speak My Mind/What Else remix).
- Lav may be THE most elusive artist to conveniently find the complete discography of in all of rap, which is saying something – I had been on a bit of a Lav kick after not listening to him in a while after seeing his cameo in the San Quinn video and I found albums/mixtapes by him on Spotify listed under Lavish D, King Lavish D, CML Lavish D, and even just CML. Given the all-over the place nature of his catalogue I might need to compile a top 10 Lav songs here in the future.
- I guess Lav is signed to Cash Money or Cash Money West now so congrats to him on that. I wonder if that means we’ll get a Lav/Blueface collaboration some time soon.
- Sadly I have to admit I was super hyped when I saw that this project was out but unfortunately even though I am a fan of both, I didn’t feel like any specific track really jumped out at me as a highlight and wasn’t really as good as both of their recent solo work. (I just posted the title track for this article since it’s the title track and has a new video). That being said I’ll give it another listen and maybe that will change over time. But I felt like a lot of tracks on here were just remixes thrown together of their previous songs etc. Maybe we can get a second collaboration from them because I’m definitley still intrigued by the idea even if the execution didn’t live up to it in this case.
- I wonder where out of town allies like Yung Cat and A-Wax will line up in this whole battle because on the one hand probably the only thing that united them on tracks like Diamonds Dancing was obviously their mutual dislike of Mozzy but on the other hand I would have to imagine none of them were like wildly in favor of Philthy either.
In all seriousness though let’s hope that this Philthy/Mozzy beef stays on wax and no one gets hurt over it
P.S. here’s what I wrote at the time after I first checked out Lav and posted about it as a young blogger still trying to come up in the blog game, not as bad as I thought…
“As a Mozzy fan I almost felt a bit sneaky and slimey deciding to check out Lavish D’s last couple of mixtapes but much like a cheating spouse eventually the curisoity and temptation got the better of me and I decided to delve into it. He has some pretty good songs and my favorite of all of them was last year’s ‘Iraq’…You’ve also got to tip your hat to any video where the actual rapper isn’t in the video because he’s behind bars so everyone is wearing shirts saying ‘Free Cash Money Lavish’ on them. After listening to a couple of mixtapes I would say that Mozzy has a bit more star power than Lavish D but Lavish D certainly isn’t just a neighborhood rapper looking to get famous by dissing Mozzy, he has a bit of star power and quite a few good songs in his own right. My other favorite by him so far is ‘Speak My Mind‘. Now that he is free I’m going to keep an eye out for his new material as it comes out.”
Marv being the catalyst behind all this is hilarious.
Once upon a time A-Wax would have been making daily IG posts about this. Nowadays he doesn’t even call Husalah out anymore.
Haha I know Marv really is the straw stirring the drink here or the fly in the ointment which is hilarious. I actually don’t even remember what the original Philthy/Messy beef was about. I would still love to go in a time machine and show fans in like 2016 this album lol. Little did we know that Lav would end up in the catbirds’ seat here lol.
This whole thing has like re-energized me lol I’ve listened to about half of Lav’s projects in the last week or so so at some point I’m hoping to post a top 10 Lav songs soon.
That’s a good point I wish we had A-Wax in his prime getting involved here instead of the new more subdued Wax. Is Hus’ last project ‘H’ worth checking out?
It’s a wack album with 2 killer slaps, imho: Bad Young Thang and Humpin’.
I think the beef goes back to that old Philthy track Swear To God where he was dissing everyone and called Marv a snitch.
Cool post (also really liked the one about the San Quinn song)! Not sure if Lavish D is still rocking with A-Wax.. Also, if the youtube comments are to be trusted, Philthy Rich was already talking about squashing the beef with Lavish D in the beginning of 2018 (in a thizzler interview or something). So before Mozzy ‘signed’ Messy Marv. The original beef presumably started between Shady Nate and Lavish and thus by extension to the whole of LiveWire at the time. Philthy Rich is now claiming that he “came home to the beef” and that it was never his to begin with (he did not diss Lavish on Being Honest, Mozzy added his hook/verse later).
But yeah, indeed hope this stays on wax (at first thought that it was all fun and games, even Hitman Beatz was posting the lyrics of the Mozzy song.. and all diss tracks are now distributed by Empire after Ghazi Shami originally stepped in to block them) and that some artists benefit from the extra attention so that it will result in something more positive (e.g. Bay Boyz just released their single ‘Good’ on Lavish D’s Youtube channel and there’s also an artist Yolla who recently released an album with Messy Marv and is also networking with Lavish D).
Awesome post thanks for all of the info. Haha yeah I could see Lav not really rocking with A-Wax anymore I feel like their only thing that they really had in common was their mutual dislike of Mozzy/Philthy/the whole One Mob crew but now that whole thing has obviously been superceded by this. I would love to get an A-Wax rant about the whole topic haha.
My favorite thing about this is Marv being at the center of it and Philthy linking up with Lav to get back at Mozzy for ‘signing’ Marv (yeah I wonder what that signing really entails lol) but meanwhile Lav put Marv on the Speak My Mind remix a while back. I love how Lav sort of went from being the lone wolf/having very few allies (at least in the rap game) to now sort of being in the best spot out of everyone and kind of in a position of power. A long time ago when I first started getting into Mozzy I foolishly was refusing to listen to Lav because I felt like he was Mozzy’s enemy (which is hilarious in retrospect) and then I finally checked him out and he slowly became one of my favorites in this scene. I’m hoping that his new signing to ‘Cash Money West’ (whatever that entails lol) gets him some nice/high profile guest features etc.
I did not know that re Just Being Honest since obviously it’s kind of most known for the Lav diss and the ensuing retaliations.
I just watched that Bay Boys song on your site that was intense haha. I just checked out your site you have some dope stuff on there I’m definitley going to be a frequent reader now, I was watching that Lil AJ one with the guys from Akron myself the other day as well